Well, judging from the feedback here and elsewhere, it looks like most of you enjoyed Reunion - which is most pleasing and comes as a relief to me as, history has shown, you never know how the fans are going to react. As promised, I’m going to dedicate this blog entry to my thoughts on the episode so if you haven’t already seen Reunion, you may want to skip today’s entry and come back to it at a later time. SPOILER WARNING!
Looking back at the episode (and it feels like ages since I wrote the script) a number of things come to immediately to mind. The first is the fact that even though this episode aired #3, it was actually #9 in the production schedule. Due to Amanda’s commitments to the SG-1 movies and the time needed to perfect the wraith set, we had to delay shooting this episode - which wouldn’t have normally been a big deal since our premiere had been pushed to October and we had a little more leeway with regard to the air order - but Rachel’s pregnancy made the scheduling juggling a bit of an adventure. Thanks to the magic of television (chiefly her lovely stunt double Lani Gelera), we were able to cheat Teyla’s appearance a little and get away with it on this one. Whew! The second thing that comes to mind is the look of the wraith set. What a difference a year makes! I’m sure you’ll agree that this is the best it’s ever looked and the credit for that goes to many: the Art Department, D.O.P. Michael Blundell, and Director Will Waring for really bringing home the creepy luridness of the place. Finally, one more thing that comes to mind is that damn fright wig the wraith is wearing. Every time he appeared onscreen, I’d wince and refer to him as Granny Wraith.
Episode specifics:
THE TEASE
Entry to the village: These types of scenes are always a pain in the butt because you write so many of them it’s always a challenge to make this one different - even though it’s basically the same thing: heroes walk into new town and are greeted by the locals. Given that we were heading into fairly heavy territory with the rest of the episode, I decided to go with a little humor. The thing that stood out for me with this scene is Ronon’s protective big brother reaction to the villager pestering Teyla. It’s the first of a number of these little moments that will pop up over the course of the season.
Teyla tussles with the Satedans: A fairly straight-forward scene designed to introduce the Satedans and convey their brash spirit. In the original script, after Tyre says “But the wraith don’t always need their own ears to hear” (an perhaps not-so-subtle reference to wraith worshipers), Teyla countered with “I am not a wraith worshiper” - but it was felt that it tipped the third act twist.
We learn that Carter will be assuming command: A number of fans were upset that McKay seemed far too cavalier given that they had just lost Weir in the last episode. The impression is that the events of Lifeline just happened a day or two ago and he’s already forgotten about her. Not true. In my mind, it’s been several weeks since the events of Lifelife and while the loss of Weir still resonates (as demonstrated in some later scenes), some time has passed. Presumably, Sheppard had assumed interim command for the expedition (since our standing enemies, the wraith and the replicators, have had their hands full fighting each other - as Sheppard makes mention when we first glimpse him) and all are anxiously awaiting the appointment of their new leader. Given what we know of Rodney, it makes sense that he would consider himself a perfect candidate, even the obvious choice for the position, not out of sheer selfishness or ego, but because he honestly feels he is the best person to contribute and help out in a big way.
ACT ONE
Carter gets Sheppard and McKay up to speed: Omitted. I’ll post the missing scene tomorrow along with my commentary.
The Satedans get reacquainted: Ronon reconnects with his old buddies. Besides the obvious desire to explain how the Satedans survived the attack on their home world and why Ronon never sought them out (he assumed they were dead), I wanted to start layering in Ronon’s feelings of loyalty toward his fellow Satedans and, most importantly, his guilt at having, in retrospect, abandoned them.
Carter says goodbye to Stargate Command: Yesterday’s blog entry pretty much covers this scene. For me, it was a passing of the torch and a thank you to SG-1 which laid the groundwork for Atlantis and, quite frankly, even made the spin-off possible. Only one slight difference between my original draft of this scene and the one we shot. In the original, the scene ends with the following dialogue - Carter: “Well, say goodbye again to everyone for me.” Teal’c: “You may tell them yourself. They are all awaiting you in the gate room.” In my mind, it was a nice suggestion that even though we didn’t see the rest of the team, they were there to support her. In everyone else’s mind, it felt like a bait-and-switch, suggesting that we were going to see the rest of the team and then cutting out of the scene before we did. So I revised the ending.
Carter arrives on Atlantis: In the original draft, and even in the shooting script, Carter’s speech was somewhat longer. In the original, Carter references Weir: “#Today, I assume command of the Atlantis expedition and, although I am honored to accept the appointment, I do so with mixed feelings because I come to you under very difficult circumstances. You've all been through a lot these past few weeks, suffered some significant losses including that of Dr. Elizabeth Weir. (beat) It hasn't been easy for you and having someone, especially an outsider, suddenly step in here and take command may be a little hard to accept. I understand that. Nevertheless, I want you to know that I've come here, committed to Atlantis, the expedition, but most of all, committed to each and every one of you. And I look forward to working with you all.” There were some objections to the reference in the room and, after much discussion, the reference was dropped.
The Satedans discuss fallen comrades: When Jason came back from hiatus, he surprised us with a new tattoo - so we found a way to work it into this episode. What better reason for him to get a new tattoo than to commemorate his reunion with his old buddies. If you happen to have recorded the episode, watch the scene from the top and note Rakai’s look of utter astonishment at being slapped. That aint acting folks. Jason decided a little ad-lib for the scene, warning actor beforehand with “I’m going to try something new, but you’re a big boy and I think you can take it.” In fact, all of the reactions are genuine including that of Ara who almost chokes on her drink. The scene also starts off with a little “trip down memory lane” that offers some amusing little revelations with regard to Ronon. Unfortunately, it didn’t make the cut either, but I’ll include the excerpt in tomorrow’s entry.
McKay drops in on Carter, as does Ronon: I didn’t want Carter to have an easy time of it, so right off the bat I have her butt heads with Ronon - and not back down. Also, given McKay’s “thing” for Carter in the past, I felt it imperative that it be addressed so that both characters could move on since the Rodney McKay of today has really grown from the Rodney McKay from Redemption I and II. By coming in and making reference to the “unrequited lust thing that’s been hanging over our head for what seems like forever”, it is Rodney’s way of saying “Hey, I know I had a thing for you in the past and that’s made things awkward for us, but I want you to know that things are going to be different now.” Rodney is delusional. He knows that the “unrequited lust thing” only went one way, but his ego won’t let him actually come out and admit it. And so, he dances and awkward dance around the fact and, in so doing, still gets the point across.
Tyre makes Ronon an offer: This is the scene in which Ronon begins to really feel to pressure of the choice he must inevitably make. And, within the body of their seemingly innocuous walk and talk, is not only a sense of the type of life these Satedans lead (says Tyre: “That's one of the nice things about not being tied down. You go where you want, and you leave when you're not wanted.”) but a reminder of the life Ronon left behind as a runner. More importantly, despite his fiery nature, Tyre doesn’t show the Atlantis personnel any disrespect, never trying to win Ronon over by belittling him but by playing a far more subtle game in appealing to his roots and sense of warrior loyalty.
ACT TWO
The Carter-Sheppard balcony scene: As some of you noticed, yes, this was a call back to the scene in Rising. The intent of the scene was to demonstrate that despite the circumstances, Elizabeth is still on their minds and they are not giving up on her. It was also an opportunity to demonstrate to not only contrast the differences, but highlight the similarities between the two strong women. Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.
Teyla and Ronon spar: If anyone was going to have a heart to heart with Ronon about the decision he faced, it would be Teyla. But, obviously, he’s not the kind of guy to open up easily, so she literally had to beat the admission out of him. However, it’s pretty clear that Teyla has already guessed as much (shows how attuned she is to her friends - nothing gets past her). In much the same way that we can draw parallels between Ronon and Carter’s situation, Teyla offers a much stronger parallel given that she faced a very similar choice. And even though the decision was a difficult one, she ended up choosing not so much with her heart, but with her head. “#I can do more here to help my fellow Athosians, and the rest of the humans in this galaxy, than I ever could on my home world.” Well aware that Ronon is only thinking with his heart at this point, she appeals to his head.
Ronon and Sheppard talk: Given the relationship that these two had developed over the past couple of years, it was important that Sheppard should weigh in on Ronon’s decision. But how to say what needed to be said without seeming to earnest? Easy. Have him not say it. In the end, this turned out to be one of my favorite scenes of the episode.
Planning the op: Amidst the back and forth and the revelation regarding what the wraith are up to is the burgeoning resentment and palpable dislike these two teams have for one another.
Ronon makes the decision to leave: In the end, it’s his loyalty to his former friends and his concern for their safety (ie. he doesn’t want them to end up like Marika and Hemi) that dictate his decision. To those who have complained that the wraith-worshiper revelation robs Ronon of having to make the choice, the fact is he does make the choice here.
ACT THREE
Carter pays Ronon a visit: There was more to this scene off the top with direct references to some of the items Ronon has in his rooms (including that painting), all connections to his past. I’ll include the excerpt in tomorrow’s blog entry.
Flashbacks: What flashbacks? An earlier draft included flashbacks to Ronon’s past. They were designed to help cement the bond between Ronon and his buddies AND demonstrate his role as almost a big-brother to them (thus the reason he feels it necessary to rejoin them and keep them out of trouble). Again, watch for these in tomorrow’s entry.
The jumper ride: Tensions between the two teams threaten to boil over - and Ronon is caught in the middle. This scene is pretty much the same as in the original draft except that, in the first draft, rather than say: “Compared to us, you guys are amateurs.”, McKay says: “Yeah, we're definitely more headline material. We're The Rolling Stones to your Hootie and the Blowfish.”
The op goes awry: Ah, the best laid plans… Lots of fun with the firefight, but my favorite moments here are the small ones. The team splitting up and Ronon watching Shep and co. head off until Ara snaps him back. Ronon taking off to back up the Atlantis team the second he hears gunfire and realizes they’ve been engaged. In the original draft, in keeping with the gag from the previous scene, after stunning Rakai, McKay glowers down at McKay and mutters: “Who’s Hootie now?”.
ACT FOUR
Ronon comes sliding through the gate firing: And Jason ends up scraping the crap out of his arm on one take.
McKay is escorted out of the wraith cell: In the original version, as McKay is being escorted out, Teyla tries to hearten him with: “Stay strong, Rodney.” to which an obviously unnerved McKay replies: “I’ll try.” In the original draft, Sheppard calls after him: “Try harder!” But we ended up losing the line because Sheppard is unconscious at this point. Originally, I felt that the fact the wraith had their stunners trained on Sheppard would be enough to keep him in line but Joe felt Sheppard would resist regardless - so we had him zatted instead.
Ronon fills Carter and co. in: One of Ronon’s many trips to the infirmary this season. The two jumpers - a little hint as to what Carter has planned.
McKay is escorted down the corridor: Could the wraith figure out a way to deactivate the replicator threat? It’s probable. Eventually. But with the replicators zeroing in on them, they’d prefer to find a solution sooner than later, and the fastest way of doing so is to get McKay to undo the changes he’s made to their base programming.
Missing McKay-Replicator scene: In the end, I felt that having the replicator converse with McKay actually made him less threatening. Besides, we needed to lose the time. To those of you dying to find out how the conversation went, check out tomorrow’s blog entry.
Carter leads the rescue op: Not such a stretch given her experience with SG-1, what’s at stake, and the fact that the chain of command kicks in on Atlantis (as it did whenever Weir went off-world).
The wraith pays McKay a visit: McKay is stalling. And that wig! Gaaah!
Carter leads the rescue op into the facility: Speaking of growing, check out our little Radek all grown up and casting anxiety aside to help some friends in need. By the way, what he is clutching is not a wraith detector but a device (not unlike similar devices used on SG-1) designed to detect and offer an analysis of energy readings.
Carter and co. spring Sheppard and Teyla: Hurray!
Ronon’s buddies get the drop on him: Boo!
Shep and co. unwittingly spring the replicator: Uh oh!
ACT FIVE
The replicator makes his escape: And he’s got only one thing on his mind: Kill the wraith! Still, love the shot of Carter standing alongside the team, opening fire on the enemy.
Ronon vs. the Satedans: Mark Dacascos is a friend of Ben Browder’s and sometime last year, while we were casting for Counterstrike to be exact, Ben dropped by the production offices and let us know that Mark expressed an interest in appearing on the show. Well, I was familiar with his work and loved him in Brotherhood of the Wolf, but we all felt that we needed to find a role that would allow him to show off his fighting skills. And, one year later, Reunion was it. Our stunt coordinator, Bam Bam, had worked with Mark on the Crow series and so the two of them got together and choreographed a kick-ass fight sequence.
After much consideration, I decided to let Tyre escape at the end of this scene. He’s an interesting character and one that is likely to make a reappearance somewhere down the line.
Ronon is reunited with his buddies: Carter: “Ronon, where are your friends?” Ronon (indicates Sheppard and co.): “They’re right here. Let’s go.” Enough said.
Sheppard pays Carter a visit: Another scene cut for time. Tomorrow.
Ronon and Teyla close out the episode: It just made sense for me that Teyla (who, like Ronon, gave up everything she knew to trust her these newcomers to the Pegasus galaxy and start a new life on Atlantis) should be the one to close out this episode with him.
Whew! That’s all that comes to mind right now but if I think of anything more, I’ll be sure to add it to an upcoming entry.
Today's pics: In case you hadn't noticed, none today. Sorry.
Today's video: Click on the date for another take of the stroll through the sandstorm.
Today's mailbag: See tomorrow's mailbag.
Saturday, October 13, 2007
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Okay. Don't have to say anything, except thank you. You pretty much answered every thought/question I had with that description. Fascinating!
Go ice down those hands. They must be tired after all that typing.
Interesting background on Reunion. Glad to see some stuff was tossed but wish other bits had remained.
You said that Carter was fine in going off in the field practically right when she got to Atlantis, but with the team out there, and Carter out there, who was left running the base? Chuck? Lorne? Inquiring minds want to know, and why she didn't assign someone like Lorne to the rescue mission (as he's very quite adept at stuff like that).
Wow. That... was fantastic. How awesome to get such a detailed insight into both the writing and the pre-production/production process of an episode. It's really interesting read about the way things change and progress through the process of making the episode and the reasoning behind some of the choices made. Can't *wait* for all the missing scenes stuff tomorrow.
Thanks for your post all about Reunion. I found it fascinating. I look forward to finding out about the missing scenes.
So, us whumpers have Joe F. to thank for the second stunning? Well, whumpiness aside, I have to agree with Joe F. on this one. Shep never let them try and take Rodney without a fight. I'm also all for frequent Sheppard stunnings...;)
Thanks again!
Oh, you mentioned Ronon has many infirmary visits this season? What about Shep? Sniff? ;)
Thank you for all the insighton Reunion! That was very nice of you to do. I know this has been asked a million times before, but isn't it a little late on the news for renewal? I'm just starting to get worried. The way season 4 is shaping up, I definitely don't want it to be the last.
I quite enjoyed the episode... I'm still catching up on Season 3, but I couldn't help myself .. and had to watch Season 4 if I'm home!
Anyways, I love Carter and McKay's banter.. I hope there's more in the future! :)
Thanks for sharing so much on this episode!
thanks for the rundown on 'reunion', joe. i can't wait to read further on those deleted scenes. :D
btw, my mom and i talked quite extensively about last night's ep. she's got that stargate spark back, and so do i!! (missed feeling it)
sally :D
Jesus, how long was the original cut?? It sounds like almost 12 minutes to me. Am I close?
And does it bother you having to wait for Amanda Tapping to film the episode only to then cut so much of her scenes?
Another great episode! I did have questions for you about it, but today's blog has already answered them. I'm also happy to see that my thoughts/reactions on Reunion were on track. I am looking forward to reading more about the bits that needed to be dropped. It helps fill in a few gaps, and is interesting in of itself. Thank you very much!
I do have one question, if you have not already answered it. It was so good to see Sheppard and Carter talk about Weir. We will see consequences of past events continue to be referred to or have reprecussions in future episodes?
I had a hard decision to make today: read your blog entry and risk spoilers for "Reunion" or not read. Considering season four doesn't air here for aages, I decided to read on.
I'm interested in the developmental side of things, and I thought that if I didn't read this now I'd forget about it by the time Reunion airs.
Mind you, I'll probably re-read it once I do see the episode, but thanks for the insights. It sounds like a great episode.
Overall I enjoyed the episode, especially due to Jason Momoa. Still waiting for Ronon and Teyla to hook up. Those two are very good in scenes together.
One question - why didn't Sheppard, or any of the military personnel on Atlantis, salute Carter when she came through the gate and took command of Atlantis? Seemed a terrible breach of protocol. The "Hi Colonel, welcome to Atlantis" attitude was really tacky.
Love the insight to REUNION. : )
I agree that saying the rest of SG1 was in the gateroom and then not showing them would not have been a good idea.
Did you ever think about having Carter talk about the going away get together that I am sure she would have had with SG1?
I think it would have been sweet and funny if you could have said that Vala threw her a going away party.
Awesome stuff Joe! Always nice to hear what the writer had in mind for the episodes.
I really liked your take on the Sam and Rodney stuff - that scene HAD to happen, it wasn't something that could be ignored. And yes it was going to be awkward as heck for both characters but worth it really. Though I admit, I'm glad you had Ronon walk in and end it when he did for BOTH Rodney and Sam's sakes!
I'm sure there will be more awkward moments but I take it from your explaniation that the "unrequited lust thing" is over and done with, right?
One thing I keep wondering is could you have put in a scene between Ronon and Rodney - similar to the ones he had with Teyla and John, (and even Sam) about him leaving. I can't really see how it could have fit in and I'm not really sure what we're supposed to believe about Rodney's friendships with his teammates either but there were several nice scenes between Ronon and Rodney during the last season so it seemed a little strange for Rodney not to say SOMETHING to Ronon about wanting him to stick around. But like I said I'm not sure how it would have fit in, plus any scene I can think of in my head just sounds either w or a replete of what the others already said...
Unless you had something in mind about Rodney stealing the painting and then having Teyla give it back that I missed?
Is it a general consensus between the writer(s) and the director which scenes are shortened or cut?
Have you ever had to fight really hard to keep a scene that you feel is integral to the plot and which you feel the episode would suffer without?
Do you have a tendency to over write an episode in terms of scenes and dialogue knowing that some of it may not make the final cut? By this I mean you have an episode in your mind but it would be longer than the 45 mins or so, but you just can’t help yourself?
I know on a small scale how difficult it can be to take out a scene and then ‘Velcro’ back the two ends to make it appear seamless while working like mad to keep the continuity, flow and plot on course.
Okay I’m so excited by your feed back that I’m babbling now so I’ll shut up.
Thank you so much for taking the time to give us some insight into the process.
Pauline
Hum, puisque je ne peux pas voir la saison 4 avant l'année prochaine, je n'ai pas vraiment lu ton blog aujourd'hui. J'espère que le fait d'écire en français ne dérange pas trop, et au contraire t'aide à pratiquer ton français (le fait que je te tutoies également!)
Bonne soirée !
How much of the Sheppard backstory that Joe Flanigan wrote was used in Outcast?
Cool episode description. Are you going to do this again for any other episodes, like Trio or Harmony?
Reunion was great! It's the best episode of the season so far!
Please answer my three questions. 1) Who's idea was it to stick the picture in the suitcase? 2) How many knives does Ronon have? 100 or more? 3) Does Sam meet the Wraith from Common Ground in The Seer?
Thanks!
Wow, this a really good entry. i am looking forward to tomorrow. you did not do this last year so much, i am looking forward to these installments. Sci-Fi posted and interview with Jason and they showed some awesome clips of Midway, I am so looking forward to seeing Chris Judge in action.
Thank you for all the goodies, looking forward to tomorrow
BN
The sandstorm in the video clips, is that on Atlantis? Which season four episode?
Thank you for giving us so much background info. It's a shame that so many scenes had to be cut- they sound like they'd add TONS to the episode.
And great job Joe, I think you did fantastic introducing Carter as the new commander.
Ronon comes sliding through the gate firing: And Jason ends up scraping the crap out of his arm on one take.
>> Props to Jason- that scene looked amazing!
Still, love the shot of Carter standing alongside the team, opening fire on the enemy.
>> I loved this shot too! It gives a sense of... cohesiveness? Solidarity? Something along those lines.
Wow! that was one hell of a walk thru, I really liked the Rolling Stones/hootie comment, that would have been great!
And I got to say I also love that slap LOL awesome to know the behind scene story.
I also liked the second stunning of Sheppard, villains don't mess around and you KNOW that sir.
Well got to go now, Red Soxs playing, hubby VERY jumpy, Schilling not doing so hot and for some bizarre reason my superstitious husband seems to think me watching helps the team win, (since
every time I watch a game they actually do win) Yes I have been reduced to a baseball lucky charm.
I have to say, that Granny wig scared the crap out of me when I first saw it. Wraith normally give me the heebie jeebies in general but that one was particularly creepy.
I absolutely loved Reunion - my favourite scene was also the one where Sheppard didn't tell Ronon what he was going to say. The fighting scenes were absolutely kick-ass too, I hope Bambam knows how awesome he is.
Thank you for such a brilliant ep, I can't wait for tomorrow's blog entry!
Is Sam going to be in any fights this season? Thanks!
Thanks a lot for doing a commentary on the episode. Way better than Ronald D. Moore's podcasts (not to say that BSG podcasts are bad).
Do you or any of the crew have any surprise cameos during this season of Atlantis (like Martin Wood's sneaky cameos)?
Wow, Joe, thanks for all the great background info on Reunion.
I hadn't yet discovered your blog when Season 3 aired in the States...did you do this same sort of background for episodes in S3? If you did, I'm definitely going to go back and read them. I was absolutely thrilled with S3 and would love to hear more about it from you.
Also, I wanted to mention that while I was concerned about Amanda moving to Atlantis, I staunchly defended the decision and told everyone to wait and see. So far, I've loved what you've done with her. So many people were concerned that it would become the Sam Carter show and that McKay would suffer muchly in dignity. I like that you acknowledged the "thing" from McKay's SG-1 days but it seems obvious to me that it's really not going to play into the way things are now. Well done.
Really looking forward to tomorrows blog! And hopefully hearing more about that painting...
1. Thanks for clearing up the Radek - scanner deal. A lot of other people on gateworld were screaming "plot-hole".
2. Do Wraith stunners have a kill setting?
"Ronon is reunited with his buddies: Carter: 'Ronon, where are your friends?' Ronon (indicates Sheppard and co.): 'They’re right here. Let’s go.' Enough said."
Actually, I did have a question after viewing this scene. I may be recalling the scene incorrectly, but I remember thinking after Carter said, "Ronon, where are your friends?":
Hmmm, didn't any of them inform Carter about Ronon's "friends'" betrayal? It seems like a key piece of intel...know all your enemies. It only takes a few seconds to say, "Btw, Ronon's friends are actually working with the Wraith so if you happen to run into any of them, don't be fooled."
Anyway, I also thought that this entry was extremely interesting and enlightening. Thanks a ton. I wish I could read stuff like this about every episode.
You may have answered this before, but what is your favorite SG1 episode to watch? Do you ever watch any of the episodes after the final episode cut is approved? Do you ever sit down and watch them on reruns? Did you buy the SG1 Complete DVD Set? Have you smelled the Complete DVD Set? I opened up the box and noxious fumes rolled out...it actually smelled exactly like rubber cement. I think I need to air it out tonight.
Crikey, I think my comment is as long as your post.
About the wraith wig:
I thought it look delicious, like white fluffy cotton candy...hmm...cotton candy.
Thanks for giving us that in-depth background on Reunion; in some respects, it's almost like a DVD commentary. I wouldn't mind seeing you continue to do this with each new episode!
Was rather disappointed to learn that there was originally a reference to Weir in Carter's speech that was dropped. Given the upset that the expedition is experiencing after Weir's loss, I think it would have been good for Carter to at least acknowledge what happeened. The way it is in the finished episode, it seems too much like Weir's loss has been swept under the rug (which is precisely what many fans have feared would happen) and that Carter doesn't give a damn. That kind of callousness seems out of character for Carter, especially given the losses she's suffered in SG1, and it's definitely not going to reassure those in the expedition who are nervous about the present situation.
Sorry Joe, but you should've stuck to your guns and kept that bit in.
First off, brilliant episode. I truly enjoyed the interactions between the characters and the choice Ronon had to make. I guess I'll find out as the season goes along, but one has to wonder if his decision to leave breaks the trust some people have in him, ala 'if he left once, will he do it again'? I have to admit, if I were someone on that team, I probably would.
Granny Wraith. Oh, too funny. His hair was rather frightening.
It's funny that you (and a lot of fans) talk about Mark from The Crow days. Me? I see him and every time I can't help but think of Iron Chef. Tell me, since you're such a foodie and I think you've mentioned watching Iron Chef (or was it only the original you watch?), did you and Mark have food-related conversations?
We never got a close up of the painting on Ronon's wall. What was it of and can you post a picture of it?
I believe that the way Reunion turned out is exactly as it should have been. Most projects when undertaken from the heart, generally work to the best for all.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and intentions for Reunion. Take care and enjoy your break.
I agree with Joe Flanigan. There is NO way that he would've let the Wraith take McKay out of that holding cell without a fight.
Thanks for the very-detailed write up! It is MUCH appreciated!
very interesting to hear all that goes on "behind the scenes" and seeing the bits that I would have liked to seen be shot down...
I assume you must get used to it but I figure it to be a bit frustrating when you've got an idea and the rest of the group disagree with it.
Thanks for sharing
S4 continues to be great. Bring on S5!
Thanks to Ben Browder, Bam Bam and whover else was involved in casting Mark Dacascos. I thought he was terrific - bringing layers to his role, acting and kick-ass fighting. There were moments when he reminded me of a young George Takei... Did any of you feel that, or am I getting delusional with my scifi shows? ;)
Just for those of us who live outside areas where we can get the new SGA episodes on TV as they come out, what's Jason's new tattoo? Is it obvious?
If you are collecting kudos to tell Jason, add me to the list. Tell him he was great in this episode, a nice balance between emotional depth, vulnerability, and strength. My favorite moment was Ronon's reaction to Sheppard and company leaving on the split and how he was torn that he wasn't going to be there to protect them. My second favorite moment was when he said his friends were right there (meaning Sheppard and company) and lets go home (saying home was the best touch). My third favorite moment was when Ronon went all brother to protect Teyla, leaping in front of her and just giving that tiny hint that he'd beat on the guy and chase him.
I'm hoping you will continue to give him great scenes like these to show off what he can do, because it is so much more than just fighting.
Big thank you for talking about the episode and what you had in mind as you wrote it.... I look forward to tomorrow's missing scenes!!
I thought this was a great episode loved how Ronon played the big brother type for Teyla at the beginning that was cute. I like all their scenes together! I liked how Carter didn't back down from Ronon and the tension these two had. Sheppard talking about Weir and Carter saying if he has a legitimate plan that had even a little chance of succeeding she would consider it. LOL and Rodney McKay is just too funny! I really liked all the character interactions and I too liked seeing Carter joining Ronon and Zelenka on a search and rescue! Loved the episode! and Poor Ronon the last fight scene with his old team... you could see the anguish/ hurt/ betrayal he felt... but at the same time you could see he didn't want to kill them and they forced his hand. Like someone else said maybe he is hoping he can still save the other friend, that not everything he knew about them was a lie... I wonder if we will ever see this other "friend" again?
Ann :~)
I agree about the wig; it looked a little Halloween costume-ish.
The night exterior shots of Atlantis were just stunning. It's really looking good this season (though in the first two epis of this season when the shield was just extended around Atlantis' tower, I thought it looked like a flying orange juicer).
My Mom made the comment when we were watching 'Reunion' that Teyla looked like she was about to puke during the Jumper scenes.
Ok. So now it's two years later. SG-1 has been off the air for a whole year. Sam Carter has been promoted to Full Colonel and has taken command of the second most important facility of the Tau'ri. Can you shed any light now on why Sam Carter did not get command of SG-1 in season nine? What did you guys feel that Cameron Mitchell added to the show that made his forced presence on SG-1 so necessary? Do you guys think now that maybe it was a mistake to bring on a new character like that, especially seeing as how Carter has now been given an even more important leadership role? I just don't get it. IT seems like conflicting ideas/visions of the shows and characters.
Great entry today. I hope you do something similar for the rest of the episodes you wrote!
Reunion was an amazing episode! My new favorite. (It now replaces Lifeline.)
Best special effect: the strings of goo when Rodney gets the door open in the Wraith ship. I always wonder if the actors are grossed out by all the slime.
Did Major Lorne paint Ronon's painting?
Thank you for your detailed insights on Reunion, it answered almost every question I had about it. Thank you for the scene with Rodney and Carter, you didn't hit us over the head about McKay's little crush and for me, that seems the end of that. I also thought Carter's arrival was just right, nothing too formal.
It was also cool to know Sheppard was on the short list, sometimes I think that everyone is too clueless in regards to his impact on the city and how much of a leader he is, but in the end we all agree its cool he's not stuck doing paper work. I did think it was odd Carter went on the rescue, didn't really seem her place, but it as nice to see Radek there.
Overall a cool episode, nice to get some more insight into Ronon, great conflict between him and Carter, awesome scene with John in there mess hall and his realization about his 'true' family.
My favorite part was when he heard the P-90s, how he rushed to go after his true team.
Kudos to Joe Flan for his insistence that he would go down fighting to protect Rodney.
The look of season 4 is great. I have the utmost confidence that it will be renewed for season 5. It's just too good of a show for it not to be. I'm not even worried. I am worried about season 6 - I hope it wont be the last. If SGA reaches season 7 - I will be satisfied (and isn't that what it's all about).
oould you do another one of these posts when it comes to your next atlantis eppy?
foolishpleasure said...
One question - why didn't Sheppard, or any of the military personnel on Atlantis, salute Carter when she came through the gate and took command of Atlantis? Seemed a terrible breach of protocol. The "Hi Colonel, welcome to Atlantis" attitude was really tacky.
The Air Force only salutes indoors during formal ceremonies and arriving through the gate is not a formal ceremony. During a formal Change of Command ceremony (or in this case, an Assumption of Command ceremony since Weir is not available to relinquish command) there would be saluting. I'm assuming the formal ceremony (which would require Carter/Weir's commander to be there to do the change over) was done off screen.
This week's episode, Reunion, had two very powerful scenes in it. The first one was when Ronan met Carter for the first time. Loved how he stepped towards her and said "Weir wouldn't have doubted me".
The other scene was when Carter and Sheppard discussed going after Elizabeth while out on the balcony. Sheppard will never forget Weir and will do everything in his power to rescue her from the replicators even if it means not following direct orders.
Whether it was intentional or not, these two scenes summed up perfectly the feelings, I, along with other SGA fans, have had about Weir's sudden exit and Carter coming onboard as her replacement. Funny thing, these scenes made me feel better about the changes you're making because the characters are just as upset about them as we are. Thank you for including them in this week's episode.
SGA, to me, has always been a darker show than SG-1. If you want Carter to fit in, so to speak, you should tone her character down. She seems out of place to me. Her sunny disposition makes me want to put on sunglasses. And while you're at it she needs a different hairstyle too. Maybe she could wear the granny wraith wig.
Thank you for taking the time to share with us your thoughts behind the writing of an episode. Really clears up somethings that were confusing me when I saw Reunion. The most obvious one being Rodney's reaction to wanting to be in command. Again, I thought it was not unlike Rodney to act this way, but in spite of the recent events and the reasons for the command change, I thought it was a bit odd even for Rodney. But it makes sense. Still, I wished we'd seen more of Rodney's feelings towards her loss since I know that of all of the members of the team, Rodney seemed to have been one of her closest along with John.
Also, that first scene with Ronon and Teyla. This is the problem with reading spoilers. I was so wrapped up in thinking what could be behind that statement of that guy with Teyla that I totally missed the entire point of it simply being a brotherly protecting his sister and a guy admiring a beautiful woman.
I thought the episode had some really great scenes. And that call that Joe made on the Wraith stunner was spot on! Joe really knows his character and it's wonderful that you guys share allow the actors to have that freedom.
I loooooved the scenes with Teyla and Ronon. Teyla was wonderful in this one and again, I agree with you that her scenes with Ronon were very appropriate.
The Carter/Ronon comfrontation, I thought was a bit too harsh for Ronon, but then again, he was going thru a lot.
For me, it had some really great scenes and you clarified some of the questions that I had about the episode. The effects, visuals were fantastic...and the last 15 minutes, really had me on my feet!
Thanks!
Camy
I really hate to ask this question but uhm..... Is Teyla going to get written out of the show after having the baby? Incase you are wondering why I'm asking that reather odd picture in your last post (not this one) has a LOT of us Teyla fans wondering why the Wraith are interested in the baby... heck where I live Teyla already had her baby, only thing is Michael had the DSNA stuff mixed up so the baby's actually part Ancient and part Furling and looks a lot like Steve if he were a catlike being only the baby is a girl and is so dang sweet.
oh and one more little thing I thought I'd share with you, err.. ask you, can you pass on a hello to the cast for me? this means everyone of course, the whole lot, Paul(Beckett) David(Rodney) Joe(John) Jason(Ronon) and Rachel! thanks!
oh and if it is too spoilery you can just say no comment to the first question.
Take care and here's hoping for a S5!
~Teyilia
-Oh gawd..yeah the granny wig. I was having trouble deciding if it looked more like a marshmallow or a witches broom.
-I think Carter's speech was short and sweet and worked well. Working in the legal field, I prefer speeches that are straight to the point. I tend to get annoyed when things get drawn out unnecessarily. So I think it worked well.
-Hmmmm... Maybe you should have just had the wraith backhand Sheppard so you could keep the "Try harder" line. That would have been good. =P.
-Loved Carter in action too. I want her outfit.
Yeah, that wig was pretty terrible.
But the ep was Awesome.
Thanks for the breakdown.
:D Skip
Thanks Joe this blog was very informative. The episode was really good and I enjoyed watching it.
I ended up missing a few lines that I'm going to have to go back and watch. When Tyre walked onto the screen I couldn't help but laugh. It's so fitting for you guys to have cast the Chairman from Iron Chef America for the episode you wrote.
Joe, I loved the write-up on Reunion. It's at the top of my 'Best Episode if Any Series Ever' list. I could tell you everything I loved about it, but that would be a lot. So I'll just say that the idea of Satedan survivors and more insight into Wraith worshippers both had huge potential, and I can't imagine any better use of them. The sheer number of things covered in this episode it's almost impossible to believe you could do them all justice but you did it. Beautiful episode for the characters (not just Ronon which it was damn cool to see him and his people fleshed out more) but the for the team and Carter, who I'm now sold on as leader of Atlantis so, You're the man.
Wow! Thank you Joe for that comprehensive backstage info dump; it's not often the fans of a Sci-Fi show get to poke around the mind of a writer of an episode, but, well, you do spoil us.
Saw the episode today, thought it to be awesome, and I feel that this is only the tip of the iceberg with regards to Season 4 awesomeness.
Can't wait for Doppleganger!!
Oh, and can we expect this level of detail of backstage info when "This Mortal Coil" and "The Kindred Part 1" (your other 2 episodes this season, I believe) premier as well? If so, then allow me to copy my Shep Whumper friends:
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
I guess everyone else has said thank you for the insight into Reunion but I will again. THANK YOU. It is so nice of you to tell us everything.
Hopefully, most of the questions behind the episode have be answered. And thank you very, very,very much for your blog.
P.S. Loved the episode!!! Here is to a Season 5!!!!
Reunion is an amazing episode. Kudos to you good sir. The stick scene with Ronan and Tayla was one of the best in my book. Also, the fight scene with Ronan and his old friends, very moving.
One of the best episodes to date.
Wow, Joe, Reunion was just amazing... brilliant! I especially loved that Teyla and John didn't tell Sam that it was the Satedans that had betrayed them. Their loyalty is to Ronon, their friend and team-mate, even though he had decided to leave. Someone suggested that this was foolish on their part because Sam may have run into the Satedans, but I don't see it that way - they were all together, and I'm sure if they had separated John would have told her, but there was no need yet.
Best ep yet and makes me look forward to the rest of the season even more :D
Very interesting Joe!!!! I loved reading your insight...especially
'In the original draft, Sheppard calls after him: “Try harder!” But we ended up losing the line because Sheppard is unconscious at this point. Originally, I felt that the fact the wraith had their stunners trained on Sheppard would be enough to keep him in line but Joe felt Sheppard would resist regardless - so we had him zatted instead.'
Thank you so much Joe F!!!! :)
Rodney thinking he was going to get the job was hilarious! When he told Radek he would make him proud and winked and made clicking noises with his mouth my children and I laughed so hard...and replayed it a few times!
Teal'c saying "Untamed equines" made us stop and think for a sec. Then I had to translate for my kids who were wearing the Randy face (from "My Name is Earl"). Then again we were laughing out loud.
I definately would have left in Carter's longer speech as it established the time that had passed and was very respectful and thoughtful towards Weir and those at Atlantis.
Ronon slapping Rakai and his reaction were pure genius! Kudos to Jason on that one. The face Rakai made was utter amazement and shock! It really worked in the scene.
I wanted to smack both Sheppard and McKay up side the head for the fruit basket debacle! Shepp for teasing McKay and then taking credit for his idea and McKay for being so dang unsure of himself! Man it's like Abbot and Costello with those two. (in a good way)
I'm glad you explained that McKay knows the lust was one-sided...I didn't get that from the scene. I thought he was trying to explain he had a girlfriend so she wouldn't get any ideas about him. ( as in he is clueless that Carter doesn't want him) It's hard to tell with Rodney...sometimes he has this colossus ego and other times he's as unsure of himself as a pubescent teen.
Teyla was great. She has this huge gift of empathy towards others. She can seem to sense when others need her calm, caring listening skills or her practical caring advice.
It would have been nice to have the scenes with the items in Ronon's room and the flashbacks. Too bad they had to be cut. When Ronon made the decision to leave Atlantis and be with his Satedan friends, I felt a bit betrayed for the Atlantis crew...and yet I also understood as these were his people, his friends, his home-world team. Now that he found them again..how could he abandon his own people?
The wig...it is its own entity..lol! What happened to all the other wigs that have been used on the Wraith's in the past? That is just a really bad wig!
The shots of Atlantis at night with all the lights on were stunningly beautiful. My younger son and I were like, "Oooh, it's like Christmas with all the pretty lights"
Which does beg the question: Why are they wasting all that electricity? They aren't using most of the farthest extremities of Atlantis, so why are all the lights on? (same question for when they were in outer space...if they were bleeding out energy...why not turn off the lights?) Very pretty though!
I loved your background info. and thoughts about Reunion! Please do more blogs about the episodes (even if they aren't yours...it would be wonderful to hear your views on each one!).
Thank you so much for that!
Kimberly
Joe said: "Carter leads the rescue op: Not such a stretch given her experience with SG-1, what’s at stake, and the fact that the chain of command kicks in on Atlantis (as it did whenever Weir went off-world)."
Okay..now you brought it up..and since you did:
What is the chain of command at Atlantis?
Please go from Carter down to any character that we see a lot...even Chuck!lol
Thanks!
Kimberly
Product placement works! Heroes is featuring the Rogue vehicle. The actors have mentioned its name and the show has zoomed in on the bumper (supposedly to read a bumper sticker) and the shot clearly showed the name "Rogue".
Hey..if I notice a cars name...it IS working! I'm usually oblivious to cars!
Anyway..I'm just saying! ;-)
Ah, that explains a few things I was wondering about. And the flow of the episode worked for me. So great job to you and Paul. Just one (of two) things that bothered me.
Whenever they had the fight scenes-the camera movement seemed off to me. Like it wasn't playing at normal speed. Just caught my eye.
Can't wait till next week. And thank you for the in-depth post.
Oooh that is a lot of interesting detail on Reunion. :D It was a fantastic ep, took my breath away literally! But I am wondering about one thing: who painted that amazing painting that was in Ronon's room?
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Salut Joseph <3
Intéréssante la video!!
Merci pour toute ces information sur cette épisode, mais comme je n'ai pas Scifi , je n'ai pas pu le voir. J'ai vu quelques extrés et il a l'aire vraiment bien! Et puis cette épisode est super, car vous êtes le meilleur^^!
Je suis impatiente d'être à Mardi!!
Maintenant, je compte les heures lol!
Mes questions:
1)Il'a fallu combient de temp pour tournée "Réunion"?
2)Combient il'y a de personne qui travail sur le plateau?
3) A quel date éxactement on sera s'il y'a une saison 5?
Passez une bonne journée*
Je vous love fort*
Gros bisou*
A demain*
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Reunion... loved it, loved it, loved it!
And todays post... loved that as well!
Fantastic!
Thank you, can't wait for the videos tomorrow!
Booo from the UK!
We havent even seen episode 2 Lifeline yet (thats Tuesday next week) and you're spoilering (is that a word? :p) the episode after, means i cant read your blog for ages now
Naughty Joe!
Congrats on writing a really strong episode; the background stuff has just made it all the more interesting.
I thought the Radek thing was obvious, because of the line about energy readings that he says as he points it at the wall.
Same with the passing of time before Carter's arrival; they mention the IOA taking their time and, as seen previously, they like to keep everyone hanging whilst they fuss around, probably drinking coffee.
I also have to say I prefer not mentioning Weir in the opening speech - not because I don't like her, but it would be like prodding an open wound for some and, what with the conversation with John later, it would've been overkill.
Re: Someones commetns about informing Carter of Ronon's friends betrayal... am I right in saying they didn't to protect Ronon? As they didn't know whether he was with them or not, it makes sense.
Also, Ronon made his choice twice before the final fight; after he says he's leaving Atlantis, the moment he hears the gunfire he abandons the Satedans and goes after his team, which to me shows that even if he didn't realise it, that's where he wanted to be all along.
Well Joe, I'm definitely in the "not impressed" group. I was getting flashbacks of the bitchy Carter from "Paradise Lost", which is the only S6 SG1 eps I've watched that Michael, Carmen, or David H. weren't guesting in (I like Tom McBeath). Was bringing Amanda/Carter over to SGA because you guys are so in love with her or because Carter's going to be the IOA good little soldier that never disobeys orders?
Don't get me wrong, I like Amanda, but have been sick of having to watch "Super Sam" for years. As a scientist, I find it insulting. Though I will say that casting Ben in SG1 S9 & S10 was refreshing, as was bringing Lorne to Atlantis.
I've already seen Doppelganger, and IMO the writing's pretty weak in that one too, sorry. Right now, the eps that Kavan and Paul (and maybe Torri) are in, will probaby be the only ones I'll watch this season. Sadly McKay (David) isn't even enough to keep me glued to or even TiVO'ing SciFi Friday.
Wow thx for all this extra stuff. Can't wait for tomorrow!
Was the photo of Jack in Sam's new quarters an intentional thing or did you know nothing about it? Any chance of seeing anything else (photos etc.) in Sam's office (of Jack etc.) or do you not know?
Well, my mother said that your voice never gets heard unless you speak up, so I'll say a bit, but please don't take anything too harshly, it's not ment to be. First off, I really liked this episode. It combined my two favorite things- character moments and action. :)
Ronon was my least favorite of the core characters because he was often left out of the "character moments", but this episode really fleshed him out nicely and made me appreciate him more. Seeing his room all cluttered with things (were they posessions he salvaged from his home in Sateda?) showed how he'd made Atlantis home, and that painting was neat (did Lorne paint it?).
I was disappointed with Rodney's behavior in the first half of the episode. While I agree that he would feel like he was the best candidate for the job, he shouldn't have been bouncing around about it. Maybe a simple comment about once he was in charge they could finally go on that rescue mission since Shep said the IOA wasn't allowing them to. Elizabeth was one of his only friends, probably the closest one he had along with Sheppard, and it just seemed like everybody else had their scene to grieve (Lifeline) or bring her up (Reunion), but Rodney didn't appear to care.
Kudos though to the casting of Mark Dacascos. He was great, with good moves and good acting. I'm glad he lived, it'll be interesting to see him in the future. And very intriguing on the idea that the wraith use their life giving as a means of torture. That was a cool explaination of why such a strong people would work with the Wraith.
Hi Joe You said
Of course having all of SG-1 and O’Neill there would have been great - but prohibitively expensive given that they would only be appearing in the one scene. And so, I elected to go with one member of SG-1 to represent the team and her past. I chose Teal’c.
Why not Jack? Is Teal'c more important to Sam than Jack? Did you at least try to get Rick?
Hi Joe
Great work and great writing. Knew it was your work when Teal'c makes the comment about undomesticated equines. You're cool.. Keep the great shows coming..
Dori
Thank you for the inside info. This is just the kind of stuff we wish we could get on the DVD commentaries. Maybe you should start doing some of them. Hint. Hint.
Thank you also for the mentions of Elizabeth, especially from John. I know he is working to get her back and will never give up. It is nice to hear him say that.
Also, I must say that it is hard to wrap my head around the idea that Ronon's only interest in Teyla is brotherly. It seems to me that considering the smothering looks between those two over the last few seasons, his interest is far from brotherly. Why not just hook those two up and make their fans very happy?
A oui aussi =)
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Joseph Forever!
Your insights on Reunion were extraordinary! Many thanks. I certainly got more out of reading your commentary than reading the general discussion forum on GW, where too many people seem to concentrate on minutiae and the pro/anti-Carter forces are constantly at war. I'd like to add my voice to the others that requested you to do this with the other SGA episodes, even those you did not write. As an executive producer, you must have a good understanding of what went into each and every scene decision.
Could you please tell us what the objections were to the Weir reference in Carter's speech?
Joe's post says: "Also, given McKay’s “thing” for Carter in the past, I felt it imperative that it be addressed so that both characters could move on since the Rodney McKay of today has really grown from the Rodney McKay from Redemption I and II. By coming in and making reference to the “unrequited lust thing that’s been hanging over our head for what seems like forever”, it is Rodney’s way of saying “Hey, I know I had a thing for you in the past and that’s made things awkward for us, but I want you to know that things are going to be different now.” Rodney is delusional. He knows that the “unrequited lust thing” only went one way, but his ego won’t let him actually come out and admit it. And so, he dances and awkward dance around the fact and, in so doing, still gets the point across"
Are you kidding? This scene and the way Rodney was written teetered between so ridiculous it was embarrasing to watch and so immature it was worthy of turning off the TV at that point - it absolutely made Rodney look like he has not matured one iota since Redemption - the "man" and I use the term very loosely - acted like an idiot, a 14 year old idiot.
The Air Force only salutes indoors during formal ceremonies and arriving through the gate is not a formal ceremony
The problem is that no one on SGA ever salutes anyone else, and we did see saluting one's superiors over on SG1 quite a bit. But also notice that Sheppard doesn't have any dog tags, and never has. Goes back to sG1 have the Air Force review scripts, but SGA doesn't have that review, which lets a lot of writer boo-boos show up on the final product.
Hey there Joe! :)
I would love to know if Ronon and Sheppard are/were supposed to have a long & bruising (for Sheppard) stickfight scene??? I think you alluded to it (WITH pictures) in an earlier blog, but now I can't seem to find it any longer. Were those scenes deleted or something???
Thanks bunches!
~an SGA fan,
who's really luving
Season 4 loike whooooooa!
So, I've finally watched Reunion and I gotta say Joe that aside from the Ronan storyline- the entire episode left me cold.
I think that it was a big huge colossal mistake cutting that scene with Carter when she mentioned Elizabeth. Without it, she came across as cold and unfeeling-- and as an Elizabeth fan I've got to say that there was something wrong about this entire episode. Carter's scene in the SGC brought a tear to my eye yes, but her interactions on Atlantis just seemed so forced.
Now, I don't know whether that is Amanda or the writing but I think that you powers that be could have done a better job with making the transition harder. Carter mentioning Elizabeth in that first speech, espeically with what she has gone through with Hammond being replaced and Daniel dying and being stranded from Jack *sigh* It just seemed terribly out of character.
....other than that, it was a ho-hum episode, although I did like seeing a bit of Ronan's backstory. Hopefully Doppleganger will be better, but from what I've read I don't think so-- aside from a few choice words from Carter. *sigh*
You do know that you've killed the series don't you? You had a wonderful baby in your hands and you've killed it. Getting rid of Elizabeth was a huge, HUGE mistake. I thought that you guys would have learned that from the reaction when you got rid of Carson. *sigh*
I will stay loyal to the show despite everything, but I can't attach myself to the characters anymore because who knows if there will be a season 5 and if there is, who knows who else will get the axe....
Just wanted to say thank you for such an amazing story!! I loved it! You tell a great story!
"Not such a stretch given her experience with SG-1, what’s at stake, and the fact that the chain of command kicks in on Atlantis (as it did whenever Weir went off-world)."
Well, this is what makes the series fun to watch, but makes it not as realistic as the fans would like. In reality, I don't think you would ever see a commanding officer fighting in first line. You could have put Carter in a Command & Control clocked jumper above the facility, supervising the attack of the base by a larger group of soldiers. That could have been more realistic, and you could have fill the complex with more wraith. (Some fans already noticed that the small number of wraith in the facility was... Well, we didn't buy that)
I know that you are the producer. You had your reasons, I suppose. I'm just making suggestions here.
"check out our little Radek all grown up and casting anxiety aside to help some friends in need. By the way, what he is clutching is not a wraith detector but a device (not unlike similar devices used on SG-1) designed to detect and offer an analysis of energy readings.
"
Somebody obviously made a little mistake because what he is holding in the episode is an ancient scanner. Even stupid french fans like me have seen it. But, things happend...
I realy liked this episode, and, for a change, I didn't heard so many critics from my friend who is physician.
Please excuse my english...
Still, love the shot of Carter standing alongside the team, opening fire on the enemy.
Why did they waste all that ammo? They know Asurans aren't vulnerable to projectile weapons.
Congratulations on great episode, all characters worked realy nicely. Thanks for including Radek in rescue mission, it was cool like everybody were around him, watching over him. Can we look forward for some more Zelenka in action offworld?
Bonsoir Joe,
Comme vous le savez sans doute, il y'a de très grands auteurs de fanfics sur Stargate Atlantis tels que Alipeeps, Merlin71, SGAFan, Linnzi (enfin elles sont trop nombreuses pour les citées).
Je me demandais si parfois vous vous servez de certaines des idées qu'on peut trouver avant de commencer à écrire un scénario ?
Passez une agréable soirée. Titine.
Hello, Joe!
I'm a long time lurker, but I had to "stop by' to say that I would like to thank you immensely for bringing back the Wraith worshipers. I've been moaning and complaining for a long time to my friends that I thought you'd "forget" them, so I'm sure they're extremely grateful as well.
But I had a couple related questions I'm not sure if you can answer. It's been implied that there is a social structure of some sorts. (Albeit if only by certain job categories) within the Wraith. We've seen the grunt soldiers, those who deal with prey, more specialized soldiers, those running 'sports' (Runner) and so on and so forth. My friend was wondering if there's any type of Cleric within the ranks. Which leads me to my question.
If the Wraith have positions in life, is there a rank system among the worshipers? Or is it more of a "oh, you look somewhat dependable/dispensable, we'll let you do such and such for us.”
I LOVED the synopsis you provided. It was a lot of fun!
Hi Joe,
As pointed out by another poster, the UK hasn't even seen Lifeline yet but .... Reunion sounds fantastic! I've kept your post to refer back to once we've seen it over here. Thanks so much for giving such a facinating insight into the process.
Just wanted to pass some comments on the posts about saluting ...
Well, I'm sorry but Sheppard does wear dog tags - we don't often see him shirtless (unfortunately) but Teyla had to move his tags out of the way of the defib in '38 Minutes'. As far as salutes go, Sheppard is notoriously lax in matters of military etiquette, and as military commander, I'm sure he will have told the team not to bother .... that said, we have seen a couple that immediately spring to mind - when Col Everett salutes the Atlantis team when relieving them of command in Siege II and when Sheppard salutes Col Everett in the infirmary in 'Siege III'.
Perhaps Joe can cast some light on this ....
Fingers crossed for season 5!
Cheers,
Janie
I've had to avoid your blog for a couple of days until I could watch the episode. I taped it Friday night but didn't have a chance to watch it until this afternoon. But started next week, I'll be back on day shift and can watch the episodes "live," instead of the crappy, almost monochrome version my VCR tapes for me.
You're right about that wig--it was so awful it was distracting!
I liked the scene when Rodney visited Carter. It made a nice bridge between the past and present, I thought. Rodney's still Rodney, but yes, he has grown up a lot.
I'm looking forward to Friday's episode!
I love this kind of insight into episodes and I hope you continue to do it for others.
This was a much better episode than I thought it was going to be. Honestly, Ronan always struck me as the heavy lifter of the group and wasn't a very interesting character. This episode changed much of that. It added more to his character, IMO, and I hope we get to see a few more challenges thrown Ronan's way. I'd like to see a lot more character development for him because it seems like he needs it the most.
I didn't think Sam was very strong in this episode and I hope we do get to see that in the future. She's been SG1 for the past ten years and I hope we get to see that toughness on SGA.
I like strong intelligent women who aren't left in the shadows of men and SGA does a far better job of that than most shows. Thanks for giving us these strong women.
Do you have any idea of how the rugged versions of Adrift and Lifeline were leaked before they were aired? Or should I ask, do you know who leaked them before they aired?
*waves*
I've rambled again...
Thank you so much for putting your thoughts down. Is this something that you do for every script or did you just do it for us? If it was just for us, you're a gem and it's very much appreciated. Glad to see I wasn't too far off the mark with what you guys were thinking. :D
Are you planning on doing some more like this... if it's not too much trouble.
And who would have thunk Mr F is a closet whumper! Go Joe!! Hehehe. Now he just needs to get his 'I'm a sex symbol head on.' :P
So, if I may be so cheeky, can I echo Linz's pleads and ask who is in the lead for 'time in the infirmary.'
*hugs*
I can't wait for tonights blog. Thanks for the video. *does her happy dance* The whole sandstorm has got me intrigued. :D
Oooh and one last thing, the tattoo scene with Ronon in the tavern. Who's great idea was it to use the Hawaiian traditional tattooing techniques? You'll never believe how long it took me to type that last sentance. LOL
Just saw Reunion and I liked it a lot.
I do have one tiny quibble.
This is the second episode in which Zelenka was using an Ancient LSD.
The first being Tao of McKay
Was that an oops from the props guys or does Radek suddenly have the ATA gene? Curious, since it didn't take for him in Season 1.
Mr. Mallozzi,
Did you ever share with us or confirm what in fact was that clue we were supposed to be looking for in the last three episodes of Season 3 that tied in with Season 4? Is it something to do with Teyla, Carson or Elizabeth?
We have several kisses going on this season for several of the characters, John, Keller and most likely Rodney and maybe even Ronon. Will Teyla get a kiss this season as well by her love interest?
Thanks,
Camy
Some people have alluded to Rodney acting childishly in Reunion that’s because in my opinion the character is an insecure child.
He was probably a child genius thrown into the adult world of academia where he had to grow up quickly to be taken seriously. So he does react like a petulant child when he can’t have what he perceives is rightfully his.
He has also succeeded at everything he has ever gone for; won numerous awards, but when he hits heads with the military he finds within their ranks he is just that teenage geek again.
Yes he thought he would be the leader, Rodney works on logic and it was logical to him that the most intelligent person get the command.
His teenage fumbling attempt to talk to Sam only reinforces Rodney’s inability to verbalise and subsequently explain away his feelings for her.
He had to go see her or for the rest of S4 we would have had the Sam/Rodney thing at every personal moment and altercation.
Poor Sam her first command and ‘dead man’s shoes’ to boot no pun intended (We know Weir’s not dead), hard to fill those shoes I’m sure you’ll agree, especially a commander as competent as Weir.
If Sam had over emphasized Weir’s loss she puts her own chances of bringing the team together under her command in jeopardy, or does she let the team deal with the loss on an individual bases in their own way and in their own time.
The problem about characters is keeping them in character and Rodney’s quixotic nature calls for him to do and behave the way he does.
Just my humble opinion!
Rant over. Medication now working, feeling better.
Pauline
Just turned in my review of Reunion, and I'm pleased to see I was pretty on the mark in guessing your intentions in key areas. Which I guess in turn means we both did our jobs well: you with telling the story and me with interpreting/analysing. :)
And you're right, as someone who prefers character insights to anything else, I did really enjoy this one. But the fight scenes were awesome too, which is something I don't get to say often. So people who prefer action shouldn't have anything to complain about either!
Anyway, thanks for the DVD-syle writer commentary; I'm always fascinated by thought-process! :)
1)Which episode would you say holds this seasons biggest revelation?
2)Has any previously released spoiler information for the remainder of the season been misleading or taken out of context?
Anonymous said…
You do know that you've killed the series don't you? You had a wonderful baby in your hands and you've killed it. Getting rid of Elizabeth was a huge, HUGE mistake. I thought that you guys would have learned that from the reaction when you got rid of Carson. *sigh*
Umm.. what? How do you go from “I’m annoyed that you got rid of my favourite character” to “baby-killer”?! Perspective much?
Artheval_Pe said...
Somebody obviously made a little mistake because what he is holding in the episode is an ancient scanner. Even stupid french fans like me have seen it. But, things happend...
Thanks for clearing up the scanner issue Joe.. though I gotta admit, though the scanners were supposed to be different, from a props perspective, it sure does look the same prop was used for both scanners:
Sheppard’s Life Signs Detector
Zelenka’s scanner
Martine said...
Bonsoir Joe,
Comme vous le savez sans doute, il y'a de très grands auteurs de fanfics sur Stargate Atlantis tels que Alipeeps, Merlin71, SGAFan, Linnzi (enfin elles sont trop nombreuses pour les citées).
Je me demandais si parfois vous vous servez de certaines des idées qu'on peut trouver avant de commencer à écrire un scénario ?
Passez une agréable soirée. Titine.
Salut Titine.
J’espère que Joe va m’excuser de répondre à sa place mais il à déja dit dans ce blog qu’il ne peut pas lire du fanfic.
Pauline said "The problem about characters is keeping them in character and Rodney’s quixotic nature calls for him to do and behave the way he does.
Just my humble opinion!"
I understand your opinion and if that is the way he is supposed to behave and he is supposed to be this insecure, petulant child than for goodness sake the Executivce Producer should not be talking about the guy having "grown" since Redemption -- I did not see one iota of any kind of "growth" in that scene. In that scene with Carter he was till the immature, petulant, insecure child you say he is. For someone who did not like Rodney in SG-1 and doesn't really watch SGA regularly it is quite disturbing, and a turn-ff really, to see a grown man with so much responsibility still acting like such an idiot.
--Thanks to the magic of television (chiefly her lovely stunt double Lani Gelera), we were able to cheat Teyla’s appearance a little and get away with it on this one.--
Kudos to Miss Lani!
This write-up was really interesting. Thanks for posting it.
I have to confess I'm in the camp that found the Rodney/Sam scene a little over the top, and while Rodney's quirks, occasional delusions, and insecurities are all part of what makes me love him, I really dislike the times when the show seems to revel in making him seem pathetic. It might've worked when he was just a guest star on SG1, but he's too fleshed-out a character now for it to feel like anything other than lazy writing. SGA is usually better than that.
One question: I don't recall much, if any, mention being made of the fact that the expedition leadership has gone from civilian to military, which seems like a pretty radical change with potentially huge implications. Can we expect to see this coming up as an issue in the future?
Belated reply to this... well, I have to admit to being glad of something that was cut. C'mon, Hootie's only big still in SC, but you didn't have to be THAT harsh on them, unless that was due to that Burger King ad Darius Rucker was in. (shudders) (Granted, I'm only saying that because Hootie's a local group who does have a big concert each year to help make sure kids in the SC Lowcountry have the school supplies they need.)
Thanks for the verification that Rachel was showing when you filmed this - I thought I spotted that during the stick-fight scene. Also, thanks for the tidbit on Mark Dacascos, although, c'mon, his work on Iron Chef America didn't impress you? (g)
Thanks for the detailed comments on Reunion. I enjoyed reading them. Reunion is the best episode so far of season 4. I really disliked Adrift, but each episode is getting better...hope that continues. :) Glad to know Chris J isn't a money-hungry crybaby like many actors.
I was wondering how actors for the smaller roles are chosen. For example you write that Mark Dascascos was recommended by Ben Browder. How often does an actor get recommended by someone, and how often do you end up sifting through a big stack of headshots looking for someone who has the right look, and then auditioning them. And lastly, do you sit through auditions, or are there others who do that?
Thanks
Hey Joe,
I held off on reading this until I had a chance to see "Reunion" - just wanted to say thanks very much for the extra insights.
Hi Joe
I've been avoiding your blog the last few days until I'd seen Reunion. Now that I have seen it...
The scene between Carter and Teal'c suggested to me that it wasn't the first time they had talked about the situation. It also suggested to me that in between Unending and Reunion, they had reached a new level in their friendship, possibly as a reaction to things that happen during the timespan of the movies. (I would like to point out that I don't think there was ever anything going on during those 50 years - just my take on the matter - those two are closer than friends, closer than siblings but not as close as lovers...if you get what I mean)
The opening scene with Ronon protecting Teyla's honour was sweet and amusing - those two have a great sibling relationship going on and the depth of care they have for each other really shows.
Rodney...bless him. He can't help himself can he? Although three years on Atlantis have encouraged better qualities in him and he has grown, when faced with a position where his personal abilities are in question, he still reacts in the same old way - goes to show that some things are second nature when they are what you've known longest. I loved the sequence with Carter though - trust Rodney to take something as simple as a "HI, welcome, how's you, I'm good, be nice working with you" into a "Gah...crush...me...you...wibble" moment!
Bang on, Joe F! - s'all I gotta say on that one.
I liked that Carter got her hands dirty first time out. It proved how dedicated she was to her people and that she was determined to be all she can be for them, bringing all her experience to the post for one goal - the continuation of Atlantis. Att girl!!!
Nice placement of a certain photograph, Mr Mallozi! Liked it! I hope everyone else picked up on it too...you'll have certain fan bases in uproar (one way or another) *grin*
The fight sequence was jaw-droppingly fantastic. I remember watching Mark fight Jet Li in a movie and thinking then that this guy was real smooth. That was just amazing - really nice work. And damn! Does Ben Browder have a funky friends list or what?!
The whole episode left me reeling in more ways than one and reading your break-down has really hit home just how much work goes into writing something so brilliant. You are an amazingly talented man, Joe, and I am so glad you see fit to share that talent. Thank you. And thank you to Jason, Joe F, Mark, Rachael, David and Amanda on this one too!
Til next time...I'm gonna go watch that again...
Dreams
I know you'll probably not have time to read all of these but I'm really glad to see parts of SG1 blended with SGA as its definitely something I will personally miss. I think Carter will make a great leader for Atlantis, and I definitely like seeing her getting around with a P90 - It's carter at her best I must say! I like leaders who are all hands on, and less delegation.
I have a suggestion to help promote Atlantis.Since Atlantis’s survival (as are all TV shows survival) dependents on rating , and since live Television just seem so inconvenient now days with You Tube, TV links, and Tivo. Solid ratings become a never ending battle to achieve.
I would suggest that you provide an incentive, for example; in the middle of commercials ask a Stargate trivia question, and the first person to text it in correctly, on their cell phone, wins free merchandise, perhaps a walk on role, or maybe a telephone chat with their favorite Atlantis character. It would be relatively no cost to you, and all the awhile promoting Atlantis, and encouraging viewers that Sifi is their best source for entering the gate.
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